salamu alaikum!
I don't believe this discussion has produced much beneficial fruit. Judging of what I've read herein the person most glad out of this discussion will be Satan. And why not? Muslims belittling Muslims, creating rift amongst themselves. There's vast space between the commendable religious pondering and disputation for the sake of defeating your opponent, difference lays in the manner in which we conduct discussion and debates; if done with purity, seeking rectification (Islah) purely for the sake of Allaah then nothing could be better. On the other hand, if discussions are carried out to gain fame and victory just because your ego isn't satisfied with second best, or because you hate the other guy so much that accepting the other point of view will seem derogatory; then such discussions and debates are profitable not but in harm to yourself and your brother. If your intention (niyah) is anything but seeking Allaah's Face, obedience to His Messenger and rectification both of yourself and your brother then know there's something not right, and it would be recommended such debates be abandoned. So take a step back and re-check your intention.
I have commented earlier on this issue, not much else do I have to say except read out Allaah's guidance with regards to such cases where things are beyond human comprehension such as life in the barrier between life and death (barzakh). Such cases pertain to knowledge of the unseen of which very little is given to man, so however much we try we can ne'er grasp fully it's underlying realities, as Allaah says: And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: "They are dead." Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not. [Al-Qur'an, 2:154] So this something imperceivable and concerning Allaah guides us: He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical (mutashaabihaat). But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. [Al-Qur'an, 3:7]
When you see a debate like this one where end seems no where in sight then know that such debates carry no benefit. So stop embarking on such ventures of no return. It can also be that end is in fact sightable but those aboard are too incompetent to take her home. In this case, we need a change of air, we nee to kook into our character, our ikhlas and ask ourselves: Are we really doing this for Allaah an His Rasool? Do I from the bottom of my heart seek rectification of my fellow brethren? Our have I been lead astray inasmuch as despite superficially acting to serve God, I satisfy none but Satan?
Thank you for a kind consideration, Allaah! guide us all, Allaahummahdinaa feeman hadayt!
