Ya Ali(a.s)Madad..Salam....bouhat khoob...MashaAllah..i am agree wid u all.....my best wishes wid u all.....keep it up.....and me back also.....Allah Paak app sab ki himmat aur toufeqqat me izafa farmain...Alajal Ya Imam e Zamana Alajal.....
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aary Gunjaan jee aap Hazoor (SAWAS) ki baat karti hein..uno ne to or b boht kuch nein kiya tha..jo aaj kal aap log kar rahey ehin...
or yeh waqeha to last Hajj k baad ka hei.....yeh Fazelat wala din hei.is liye Shia is ko celebrate kartey hein...
ab jis ki jis se muhabbat hoti hei.wo us ki kamyaabi waley din celebration to karta hei na.
aap ko jis jis se muhabbaat hei aap b karo. hum koi aap ko manah to nein kartey hein na. humein to Moula Ali (a s) se muhabbat hei..or is din wo tamam Moumeneen k Ameer or Moula muqarrar hoye thy..is liye hum is din ko khushi manatey hein.
is mein to koi eitraaz ki baat nein hei....
take care & best regards
or yeh waqeha to last Hajj k baad ka hei.....yeh Fazelat wala din hei.is liye Shia is ko celebrate kartey hein...
ab jis ki jis se muhabbat hoti hei.wo us ki kamyaabi waley din celebration to karta hei na.
aap ko jis jis se muhabbaat hei aap b karo. hum koi aap ko manah to nein kartey hein na. humein to Moula Ali (a s) se muhabbat hei..or is din wo tamam Moumeneen k Ameer or Moula muqarrar hoye thy..is liye hum is din ko khushi manatey hein.
is mein to koi eitraaz ki baat nein hei....
take care & best regards
mujhe mazeed ap logon se kuch nhi kehna
qk aplogon k munh lag k me ek baat jaan gayi hun k jahil jahil hi hota he
kher meri kiya knowledge he wo mujhe ap pe sabit b nhi krni
mene ap logon se baat krk deklhliya k ap log lakeer peetne walon me se hen jo k peet te rahenge,
thread closed
qk aplogon k munh lag k me ek baat jaan gayi hun k jahil jahil hi hota he
kher meri kiya knowledge he wo mujhe ap pe sabit b nhi krni
mene ap logon se baat krk deklhliya k ap log lakeer peetne walon me se hen jo k peet te rahenge,
thread closed
THANKS GUNJAN AP NA THRAED KO RE OPEN KAR DIYA HA
main sirf itna batan chahta hon yahan bas masla chota sa tha jis pa itni lambi behas hogai ha
ur un logon ka shukriya jinhon na is ka reffer diya ha
ur aik bat yahan clear karan chahon ga ka (fiqah jafriya ) wale H.ALI ki vilayat ki khoshi main us din ko EID ka DIN manty han simple
mare khiyal se ur is main koi behas nahi honi chahiye ..
thnks to every one
regardz
kamran444
main sirf itna batan chahta hon yahan bas masla chota sa tha jis pa itni lambi behas hogai ha
ur un logon ka shukriya jinhon na is ka reffer diya ha
ur aik bat yahan clear karan chahon ga ka (fiqah jafriya ) wale H.ALI ki vilayat ki khoshi main us din ko EID ka DIN manty han simple
mare khiyal se ur is main koi behas nahi honi chahiye ..
thnks to every one
regardz
kamran444
Khilafat ki tareekh dosron ko parhne ka keh kar khud tareekh se kitna anjaan hai....ye tu ajj pata chala hai...very bad luck Gunjaan..jahil kon hai.aur jahalat kis ka muqadar hai...ye tu InshaAllah waqat hi bataye ga..magar itna tu sab jaan hi gay hain..ke jo zahir se itna openly nazar aata hai andar se kitna tang hai...bas yehi kaffi hai.....Alajal Ya Imam e Zamana Alajal...
Aik Baat main kahdoon ke mera koi Aisa irada nahi tha ke Yahan koi Bahas chir jaaye, main tou just aap logo Knowledge ke liye yeh Thread Banayi thi.
Gunjan Jee Aap ke Liye main kuch Reference aur de raha hoon. shayad un se aap satsifiyed hojaao.
1. Book Arhaj ul Matalib ke Writer ne 101 Ashaba se Zayid ke Naam darj kiye hain jinho ne Eid e Gadeer ki Hadith ko Riwayat Kia Hai. aur 166 Mohdaseen e Kiram ne bhi is Hadith ko Sahi Mante Hue Apni Apni Books main is ko Tahreer kia hai.
2. Siraj ul Mubeen ke Writer ne bhi Apni Book main 157 Mohadiseen aur un ki Kitabon ke naam darj kiye hain jinhon ne Hadith ko Sahi Mante hue Apni Apni Kitabo main use riwatay kia hai, Aur un books ke naam Siraj ul Mubeen main darj hain.
3. is ke ilawa Buht se Yourupiyin Writers ne bhi Is Hadith ko Apni Apni Books main darj kia hai jin ke naam yeh hain. Mr. Washington, Mr. John Diyoni Port, Mr. Bugun, Mr. Tailor and Etc.
In dono books main yeh bhi Darj hai ke Jab us din Quran ki Aayat jo Pehle Main Bayan Kar chuka hoon aur Is Hadith ke baad Rasool e Paak Buht Khush hue the, aur Unho ne Allah ka shukur Ada kia tha ke Aaj Risalat ka Kaam tamam hua.
I think Ke Yeh Reference kaafi hain aap ke liye.
Gunjan Jee Aap ke Liye main kuch Reference aur de raha hoon. shayad un se aap satsifiyed hojaao.
1. Book Arhaj ul Matalib ke Writer ne 101 Ashaba se Zayid ke Naam darj kiye hain jinho ne Eid e Gadeer ki Hadith ko Riwayat Kia Hai. aur 166 Mohdaseen e Kiram ne bhi is Hadith ko Sahi Mante Hue Apni Apni Books main is ko Tahreer kia hai.
2. Siraj ul Mubeen ke Writer ne bhi Apni Book main 157 Mohadiseen aur un ki Kitabon ke naam darj kiye hain jinhon ne Hadith ko Sahi Mante hue Apni Apni Kitabo main use riwatay kia hai, Aur un books ke naam Siraj ul Mubeen main darj hain.
3. is ke ilawa Buht se Yourupiyin Writers ne bhi Is Hadith ko Apni Apni Books main darj kia hai jin ke naam yeh hain. Mr. Washington, Mr. John Diyoni Port, Mr. Bugun, Mr. Tailor and Etc.
In dono books main yeh bhi Darj hai ke Jab us din Quran ki Aayat jo Pehle Main Bayan Kar chuka hoon aur Is Hadith ke baad Rasool e Paak Buht Khush hue the, aur Unho ne Allah ka shukur Ada kia tha ke Aaj Risalat ka Kaam tamam hua.
I think Ke Yeh Reference kaafi hain aap ke liye.
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[FONT="]Salam Alaikum,
main aik baat sub se pehlay clear kerna chata hon woh yeh kay...aap shia brothers and sisters nay jo apni understanding and views explain kiye ...wh hum sub nay read kiye ..aap ko bhi dosron k views read kernay aur samjhnay chayen...because Quran main hai...
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hum ko is firqa wariyet ko khatum kerna chaye aur YE jub hi hoga jub jin batoon main ikhtilaf ho us ko choor diya jaye...jin batoon main ikhtilaaf nahi un ko mil ker celebrate kerna chaye i.e like Eid-ul-Fitar and Eid-ul-adha...[/FONT]
now lets come to the discussion part ager ye discussion manner main ho to is se humaree aur ap ki knowledge increase hogi.... right??????
ok ab aap sunni views bhi read ker lain k un ki understanding is issue per kiya hai...
Indeed these are the words of Prophet S.A.W .But in Arabic "Maula" word have more then 20 meanings Lord,owner,Master,friends ,benefactor.liberator, lover,ally[/FONT]
[FONT="]shia scholar said it means Master/owner/leader ...while sunni scholar said in hadith it means "close Friend" because Prophet Muhammad S.A.W did not only use for Hazrat Ali R.A He S.A.W did use this word for others too.[/FONT]
[FONT="]now does it means they all (tribes of Quraish, Al-Ansar, Juhaina, Muzaina, Aslam, Ghifar and Ashja') should be the Muwala of All the believers and they all should be the next imaam of believers and we should celebrate eid ???
.[/FONT]
in addition and other version of hadith
allahummu wali man walaah wa `adi man `adaah,
translation "O Allah: Befriend whosoever befriends him and be the enemy of whosoever is hostile to him" is also correct, albeit weaker.
[FONT="]Muwalat[/FONT][FONT="] is the opposite ofMu`adat. The proof comes from the first addition:[/FONT]
[/FONT]Abu sa'eed said that when we went back to madina, we mentioned to the Prophet S.A.W the harshness that we have seen from Ali.(R.A)
The Prophet S.A.W said:
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[FONT="]Why did Prophet S.A.W delay the topic till after Hajj? and he didn't announce imamat of Ali R.A in the last sermon of arfat ? [/FONT]
[FONT="]Because this topic is only of concern to the people of Madina because those who talked about Ali (R.A) were from Madina as they were the ones who went with Ali (R.A) to the battle. He talked about it in a place called ghadeer khumm in a place called Ju’fa, which is about 250 km from Makkah. [/FONT]
[FONT="]A simple look at the map is enough to refute the shi`ah claim that this is the gathering place of the the Hajeej. People gather for Hajj at Makkah and leave the Hajj at Makkah. The Hajeej don't leave from a place 250 km from Makkah. After Hajj, the people of Makkah stay at Makkah. The people of Al-Taif go to Al-Taif. The people of [/FONT][FONT="]Yemen[/FONT][FONT="] go to [/FONT][FONT="]Yemen[/FONT][FONT="]. The people of al-kufa go to al-kufa and so on. All the tribes go back to their homes.
The people that went with the Prophet(peace be upon him) were the People of Madinah and those who are using the road of Madina to go to their dwellings. These are the ones that the Prophet( peace be upon him ) talked to when he said: [/FONT]
[FONT="]First the hadeeth has no evidences for the imamah (leadership) because if the prophet ( peace be upon him ) wanted to mean khilafah or imamah, he wouldn't have used a word that can have all these meanings. He would have said something like: Ali is your khalifa (or imam) after me, or when I die, listen and obey to Ali ibn Abi Talib. [/FONT]
[FONT="]But the prophet didn't use any of these clear words. He said: "[/FONT]MAN KUNTO MAULA WA HAZA ALIA AN MAULA[FONT="]...".[/FONT]
[FONT="]Imam Shafi'i says that this is the walaa of Al-islam because Allah(swt) says in the Quran (Surat Muhammad 47,verse 11: [/FONT]
He called the hell fire "mawla" for the extreme closeness to it by the kuffar. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Note also that the word mawlah is different than the wordwaly. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The waly comes from walayah which is the leadership. Whereas mawlah comes from wilayah which is love and nusrah (help and aid). [/FONT]
[FONT="]Allah (swt) says in the Quran ([/FONT][FONT="]Surat[/FONT][FONT="] At-tahrim ,verse 4): [/FONT]
Thus when when Prophet S.A.W used (mawlah) for Ali. R.A then [FONT="]It means love, nusrah and help. [/FONT]
as i did mention above
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[FONT="]The Prophet said, "The tribes of Quraish, Al-Ansar, Juhaina, Muzaina, Aslam, Ghifar and Ashja' are my Mawallee (helpers), and they have no protector (i.e. Master) except Allah and His Apostle." [/FONT]
Prophet S.A.W did not say that they are my Master/wali.
AB aap ki aur tahir -ul qadri sahab ki logic per jao to in k liye bhi koee Eid celebrate kero..aur in sare qabilaay walon ko bh apna wali manoo ?
because according to you it was the command of Allah that Ali R.A should be the first khalifa..but instead of become khilfah Hazrat Ali himself did accept the khilafat of Abu Bakr R.A then Omar R.A and then Hazrat Usman R.A... why?
aap log khud ko follower of Ali R.A kehtay hain jub k Hazrat Ali nay bait ki 3 Khulfa ke hath per Allah ko hazir nazir jaan ker..kiya woh jhooti bait/outh of allegiance thi?
jub Ali R.A nay accept kiya to aap log accept kiun nahi kerte ?
read the words of Hazrat Ali. R.A
[FONT="]Salam Alaikum,
main aik baat sub se pehlay clear kerna chata hon woh yeh kay...aap shia brothers and sisters nay jo apni understanding and views explain kiye ...wh hum sub nay read kiye ..aap ko bhi dosron k views read kernay aur samjhnay chayen...because Quran main hai...
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hum ko is firqa wariyet ko khatum kerna chaye aur YE jub hi hoga jub jin batoon main ikhtilaf ho us ko choor diya jaye...jin batoon main ikhtilaaf nahi un ko mil ker celebrate kerna chaye i.e like Eid-ul-Fitar and Eid-ul-adha...[/FONT]
now lets come to the discussion part ager ye discussion manner main ho to is se humaree aur ap ki knowledge increase hogi.... right??????
ok ab aap sunni views bhi read ker lain k un ki understanding is issue per kiya hai...
[FONT="]
Indeed these are the words of Prophet S.A.W .But in Arabic "Maula" word have more then 20 meanings Lord,owner,Master,friends ,benefactor.liberator, lover,ally[/FONT]
[FONT="]shia scholar said it means Master/owner/leader ...while sunni scholar said in hadith it means "close Friend" because Prophet Muhammad S.A.W did not only use for Hazrat Ali R.A He S.A.W did use this word for others too.[/FONT]
[FONT="]now does it means they all (tribes of Quraish, Al-Ansar, Juhaina, Muzaina, Aslam, Ghifar and Ashja') should be the Muwala of All the believers and they all should be the next imaam of believers and we should celebrate eid ???
.[/FONT]
in addition and other version of hadith
allahummu wali man walaah wa `adi man `adaah,
translation "O Allah: Befriend whosoever befriends him and be the enemy of whosoever is hostile to him" is also correct, albeit weaker.
[FONT="]Muwalat[/FONT][FONT="] is the opposite ofMu`adat. The proof comes from the first addition:[/FONT]
[FONT="]not in front of all Muslims only in front of Muslims of Madinah because some sahaba did complain of Ali R.A[/FONT][FONT="] that Ali (R.A) prevented them from riding the camels of the sadaqa that they acquired. He then made a person to be their leader and went to the Prophet(S.A.W). When Ali (R.A) came back, he found that their leader gave them permission to ride the camels. When Ali (R.A) saw that, he became angry and he blamed the leader..
[/FONT]Abu sa'eed said that when we went back to madina, we mentioned to the Prophet S.A.W the harshness that we have seen from Ali.(R.A)
The Prophet S.A.W said:
[FONT="]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]Why did Prophet S.A.W delay the topic till after Hajj? and he didn't announce imamat of Ali R.A in the last sermon of arfat ? [/FONT]
[FONT="]Because this topic is only of concern to the people of Madina because those who talked about Ali (R.A) were from Madina as they were the ones who went with Ali (R.A) to the battle. He talked about it in a place called ghadeer khumm in a place called Ju’fa, which is about 250 km from Makkah. [/FONT]
[FONT="]A simple look at the map is enough to refute the shi`ah claim that this is the gathering place of the the Hajeej. People gather for Hajj at Makkah and leave the Hajj at Makkah. The Hajeej don't leave from a place 250 km from Makkah. After Hajj, the people of Makkah stay at Makkah. The people of Al-Taif go to Al-Taif. The people of [/FONT][FONT="]Yemen[/FONT][FONT="] go to [/FONT][FONT="]Yemen[/FONT][FONT="]. The people of al-kufa go to al-kufa and so on. All the tribes go back to their homes.
The people that went with the Prophet(peace be upon him) were the People of Madinah and those who are using the road of Madina to go to their dwellings. These are the ones that the Prophet( peace be upon him ) talked to when he said: [/FONT]
[FONT="]First the hadeeth has no evidences for the imamah (leadership) because if the prophet ( peace be upon him ) wanted to mean khilafah or imamah, he wouldn't have used a word that can have all these meanings. He would have said something like: Ali is your khalifa (or imam) after me, or when I die, listen and obey to Ali ibn Abi Talib. [/FONT]
[FONT="]But the prophet didn't use any of these clear words. He said: "[/FONT]MAN KUNTO MAULA WA HAZA ALIA AN MAULA[FONT="]...".[/FONT]
[FONT="]Imam Shafi'i says that this is the walaa of Al-islam because Allah(swt) says in the Quran (Surat Muhammad 47,verse 11: [/FONT]
[FONT="]In the Quran ([/FONT][FONT="]Surat[/FONT][FONT="] Al-hadid (The Iron)57, verse 15), Allah (swt) says: [/FONT]
[FONT="]
He called the hell fire "mawla" for the extreme closeness to it by the kuffar. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Note also that the word mawlah is different than the wordwaly. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The waly comes from walayah which is the leadership. Whereas mawlah comes from wilayah which is love and nusrah (help and aid). [/FONT]
[FONT="]Allah (swt) says in the Quran ([/FONT][FONT="]Surat[/FONT][FONT="] At-tahrim ,verse 4): [/FONT]
[FONT="]. [/FONT]
Thus when when Prophet S.A.W used (mawlah) for Ali. R.A then [FONT="]It means love, nusrah and help. [/FONT]
as i did mention above
[FONT="]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Prophet said, "The tribes of Quraish, Al-Ansar, Juhaina, Muzaina, Aslam, Ghifar and Ashja' are my Mawallee (helpers), and they have no protector (i.e. Master) except Allah and His Apostle." [/FONT]
Prophet S.A.W did not say that they are my Master/wali.
AB aap ki aur tahir -ul qadri sahab ki logic per jao to in k liye bhi koee Eid celebrate kero..aur in sare qabilaay walon ko bh apna wali manoo ?
Ali R.A was the strong man he never afraid from anyone except Allah..if he was the right successor of 1st khalifah then why did he give the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr R.A then Omar R.A and then Hazrat Usman R.A ?
because according to you it was the command of Allah that Ali R.A should be the first khalifa..but instead of become khilfah Hazrat Ali himself did accept the khilafat of Abu Bakr R.A then Omar R.A and then Hazrat Usman R.A... why?
aap log khud ko follower of Ali R.A kehtay hain jub k Hazrat Ali nay bait ki 3 Khulfa ke hath per Allah ko hazir nazir jaan ker..kiya woh jhooti bait/outh of allegiance thi?
jub Ali R.A nay accept kiya to aap log accept kiun nahi kerte ?
read the words of Hazrat Ali. R.A
No one hates hazrat Ali R.A it should be the aqeedah of All muslims that Family of Prophet S.A.W deserve more respect and love... per jub aap log un ko Allah k sath shirk kerte ho "yaa Ali madad" keh ker to hum us act of shirk ko dislike kerte hain..ye alag baat hai k aap is cheez ko shirk nahi samjhte jub k humare nazdeek ye shirk hai...ager aap k nazdeek koee cheez shirk hogi to aap bhi us "act" ko dislike kerogay ya nahi?
well done pakao
ALLAH apko jazae kher de bohut bohut. AMEEN
bus mazeed behes mat kriyega ap
ALLAH apko jazae kher de bohut bohut. AMEEN
bus mazeed behes mat kriyega ap
MOD EDIT .. bahive ur self
Salam..Ya Ali(a.s)Madad....agar Ya Ali(a.s)Madad..kehna shirk hai..tu jab sunni hazraat Ya Rasool Allah madad..kehte hain tu kya ye bi shirk hai???tum log khud ko sunni kehte ho..magar ahle sunnat tu tum logon ko mante bi nahi hai...tumhare zehno me shaitani touheed bassi hoi hai...Rahi baiyat ki baat...tu zara apni sahi muslim tu read kar lo baita..wo kya keh rahi hai....sahi muslim..vol.5...Kitab Al Jihad o Al aseer......page 22....tarjuma..aalama waheed uz zaman.....yahan tu likha hai..balke khud umer sahab keh rahe hain Imam Ali(a.s)se ke..app Abu abakr aur muj umer ko jhoota..Gunahgaar,daga baaz,aur chor samjhte hain....zara batao gay ke jin ko Imam Ali(a.s)itna kuch samjhain..phir un ki baiyt bi kar lain?????na mumkin hai..aur phir tu ye tareekh ke wo alfaaz hain jis ko apna hai ya paraya sab ne tasleem kar liya hai..ke jab shoraa me Imam e Ali(a.s)se kaha gya ke app Kitab e Khuda aur Sunte Rasool(sawas)aue seerat e shakhain ke mutabiq chhalain gay..tu Imam Ali(a.s)ne
jo jawab diya tha..kya wo bi nazar nahi aaya...Imam Ali(a.s)ne kaha tha..main sirf kitab e khuda aur sunte Rasool(sawas)pe chalon ga...seerat e shakhain pe nahi..agar seerat e shakaihn itni hi iman dari wali hoti..ya wo suche hote..tu Imam Ali(a.s)inkar na karte..magar inkaar kar ke bataya ke ye log is qabil hi nahi hain...aur rahi..Ghadeer e Khum ki baat..tu ye itni aham hadees hai....her sunni ne likha hai is ko...aur is ko sahi maana hai...read Alama Saim chashti ki kitab..Mushkil Kusha.......ab alama saim chashti ahle sunnat hai..jis ne deobandioun..wahabioun..aur nasbioun ki khal outari hai...aur bataya hai ke shirk kia hai...Aur rahi ..Moula...ke matlab ki baat..tu kya koi ye bataye ga...ke Paak Aaqa(sawas)ye farma rahe they...ke main jis jis ka dost hon us us ke ye Ali(a.s)bi dost hain??sharam karoo...jhoot ki bi had hoti hai...Quran tu kehta hai..ke mere Habib ko us tara mat bulao jis tarah tum log khud ko apis me bhulate ho...ye close friend kiya hota hai??sirf khud ko jhooti tasaliyan aur jhoot behlaway...pakaOO tumhari jhooti baton se ..haq nahi chupne wala...tumhare bare bi koshish kar ke mar gay..magar Imam Ali(a.s)ki imamat o wilayat ajj bi roshan hai..aur qayamat tak rahe gi...ye tu wo noor e Khuda hai jise zamana phonkon se bhuja raha hai..magar Allah apne noor ko boujhne nahi de ga.....shame on u all........tum logon ke liy itna hi kaffi hai....Alajal Ya Imam e Zamana Alajal.....
Salam..Ya Ali(a.s)Madad....agar Ya Ali(a.s)Madad..kehna shirk hai..tu jab sunni hazraat Ya Rasool Allah madad..kehte hain tu kya ye bi shirk hai???tum log khud ko sunni kehte ho..magar ahle sunnat tu tum logon ko mante bi nahi hai...tumhare zehno me shaitani touheed bassi hoi hai...Rahi baiyat ki baat...tu zara apni sahi muslim tu read kar lo baita..wo kya keh rahi hai....sahi muslim..vol.5...Kitab Al Jihad o Al aseer......page 22....tarjuma..aalama waheed uz zaman.....yahan tu likha hai..balke khud umer sahab keh rahe hain Imam Ali(a.s)se ke..app Abu abakr aur muj umer ko jhoota..Gunahgaar,daga baaz,aur chor samjhte hain....zara batao gay ke jin ko Imam Ali(a.s)itna kuch samjhain..phir un ki baiyt bi kar lain?????na mumkin hai..aur phir tu ye tareekh ke wo alfaaz hain jis ko apna hai ya paraya sab ne tasleem kar liya hai..ke jab shoraa me Imam e Ali(a.s)se kaha gya ke app Kitab e Khuda aur Sunte Rasool(sawas)aue seerat e shakhain ke mutabiq chhalain gay..tu Imam Ali(a.s)ne
jo jawab diya tha..kya wo bi nazar nahi aaya...Imam Ali(a.s)ne kaha tha..main sirf kitab e khuda aur sunte Rasool(sawas)pe chalon ga...seerat e shakhain pe nahi..agar seerat e shakaihn itni hi iman dari wali hoti..ya wo suche hote..tu Imam Ali(a.s)inkar na karte..magar inkaar kar ke bataya ke ye log is qabil hi nahi hain...aur rahi..Ghadeer e Khum ki baat..tu ye itni aham hadees hai....her sunni ne likha hai is ko...aur is ko sahi maana hai...read Alama Saim chashti ki kitab..Mushkil Kusha.......ab alama saim chashti ahle sunnat hai..jis ne deobandioun..wahabioun..aur nasbioun ki khal outari hai...aur bataya hai ke shirk kia hai...Aur rahi ..Moula...ke matlab ki baat..tu kya koi ye bataye ga...ke Paak Aaqa(sawas)ye farma rahe they...ke main jis jis ka dost hon us us ke ye Ali(a.s)bi dost hain??sharam karoo...jhoot ki bi had hoti hai...Quran tu kehta hai..ke mere Habib ko us tara mat bulao jis tarah tum log khud ko apis me bhulate ho...ye close friend kiya hota hai??sirf khud ko jhooti tasaliyan aur jhoot behlaway...pakaOO tumhari jhooti baton se ..haq nahi chupne wala...tumhare bare bi koshish kar ke mar gay..magar Imam Ali(a.s)ki imamat o wilayat ajj bi roshan hai..aur qayamat tak rahe gi...ye tu wo noor e Khuda hai jise zamana phonkon se bhuja raha hai..magar Allah apne noor ko boujhne nahi de ga.....shame on u all........tum logon ke liy itna hi kaffi hai....Alajal Ya Imam e Zamana Alajal.....
Yaar Babar Sahib main ne kaha na Yahan Dobara yeh Bahas nahi honi chahiyeye. Aap kiyo phir se start ho rahe ho. Har kisi ko Apne Apne Aqeede pe jeene do yaar. Aap ke jo dil kare aap woh karo aur kisi aur ka jo chahe woh kare. Yeh Bahas nahi honi Chahiye. Mera Aisa KOi Irada Nahi Tha Yeh Thread Banane ka Ke Yahan Koi Firqa Wariyat Shuru Hojaaye. Mujhse Buht Bari Mistake Hogaye Jo Main ne Yeh Thread Yahan Post Kar Daali. PLz Yar Aap log Dobara Koi BAhas Mat KArna Yahan Pe.
Plz To All PLz.
Thanks
HBK
Plz To All PLz.
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HBK
@HBK brother thanks for being nice..mujhe waqee bohat khushi huee hai k aap dosray logon ki terhan dosre musalman bhai ko bura bhala nahi boltay 
main nay koee laree jhagray k liye post nahi kiya hai ...aap log sunni books ka baar baar refrence dey rehay thay k apni books main read kero read kero to main nay us main se hi read ker k quote kiya..
^^ ager aap k ye lagta hai k ye main khud se to nahi likhi to aap khud download ker lo
http://www.quranurdu.com/Sahih_Muslim/
English translation online by Translator: Abdul Hamid Siddiqui ['The Book of Jihad and Expedition (Kitab Al-Jihad wal-Siyar)']
Hadith #4335 to 4340 tuk jo hadith page 22 per hain unki english translation
http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=19&translator=2&start=10&number=4335
ab Arabic , URDU, ENGLISH teenoo source aap k paas hain...ab mujhe jhoota ks khatay main bol rehay ho aap?
yaaraa ye to aap shia hi bolte ho...urdu main " jo Ali R.A ka dost woh Allah ko dost..jo Ali R.A ka dushman woh Allah ka dushnam"
jo arabic main hadith hai aap logon ki "
ab apnay hi scholars se ye confirm ke lo k Muala/mawlah k kitnay meanings hain jo arabic janta hoga woh ye to confirm kerdayga k more than 20 meanings hain..."Iam Pakistani born but i grew up in Arab country i can read/write/understand Arabic very well i don't need urdu translation " per aap logon ko zararorat hay translation ki..
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Ya Allah Madad is "Dua" .........Ya Nabi (S.A.W) Madad is "Dua" ...........Ya Ali (R.A )Madad is "Dua"
jub dua ibadat hai to Allah ko choor ker kisi aur se dua magna Shirk hai...
we read daily five time salat/namaz and we read sura Fatiha in every rakat we say this
^ apni namaz samjh ker perhni chaye... Allah k siwa kisi aur se dua mangna shirk hai...
Walaikum Salam, bhai jaan cool down ..
main nay koee laree jhagray k liye post nahi kiya hai ...aap log sunni books ka baar baar refrence dey rehay thay k apni books main read kero read kero to main nay us main se hi read ker k quote kiya..
ok Pakki baat hai ???? to ab apni baat per qaim bhi rehna jo aap nay reference diya hai main us book k screen short post ker raha hon..
aap nay apnay kisi scholar se ye baat suni hai khud sahi muslims se nahi read kiya... kiun k jo hawala aap nay diya us main aesa kuch nahi likha..
^^ ager aap k ye lagta hai k ye main khud se to nahi likhi to aap khud download ker lo
http://www.quranurdu.com/Sahih_Muslim/
English translation online by Translator: Abdul Hamid Siddiqui ['The Book of Jihad and Expedition (Kitab Al-Jihad wal-Siyar)']
Hadith #4335 to 4340 tuk jo hadith page 22 per hain unki english translation
http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=19&translator=2&start=10&number=4335
ab Arabic , URDU, ENGLISH teenoo source aap k paas hain...ab mujhe jhoota ks khatay main bol rehay ho aap?
.
yaaraa ye to aap shia hi bolte ho...urdu main " jo Ali R.A ka dost woh Allah ko dost..jo Ali R.A ka dushman woh Allah ka dushnam"
jo arabic main hadith hai aap logon ki "
[FONT="]^^ ye to khud shia brothers bolte hain...
ab apnay hi scholars se ye confirm ke lo k Muala/mawlah k kitnay meanings hain jo arabic janta hoga woh ye to confirm kerdayga k more than 20 meanings hain..."Iam Pakistani born but i grew up in Arab country i can read/write/understand Arabic very well i don't need urdu translation " per aap logon ko zararorat hay translation ki..
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Jee bilkul shirk hai JO sunni Rasool Allah se madad mangta hai woh shirk kerta hai....
Ya Allah Madad is "Dua" .........Ya Nabi (S.A.W) Madad is "Dua" ...........Ya Ali (R.A )Madad is "Dua"
jub dua ibadat hai to Allah ko choor ker kisi aur se dua magna Shirk hai...
we read daily five time salat/namaz and we read sura Fatiha in every rakat we say this
^ apni namaz samjh ker perhni chaye... Allah k siwa kisi aur se dua mangna shirk hai...
ek HBK ka roop he jo k kafi acha or comfortable he,
ek baqi logonka aggressive roop he,or kitna aggressive he ye to is site k zariye duniya dekh rahi he,
ghadeer e khum ka waqiye se inkaar nhi
aitraz eid manane ki baat pe he k ISLAM ME APNA ZAHEN CHALNE KI IJAZAT NHI HE,HR HUKUM KISI AYAT YA HADITH SE MUJTAHID DERIVE KRTA HE, COZ
"EVERY ACTION IS HARAM JAB TAK USK HALAL HONE KI DALEEL NA HO-IMAM ABU HANIFA"
bus mera ye sawal tha jiska mujhe jawab nhi diya gaya.
meri tishnagi baqi he.
mgr kuch logon k aggressive hojane pr (jawab nhi ban parta to log aise hojate hen aksar) mene is thread ko behes k dar se close krdiya tha
jisko ye samjha gaya k mene diye gaye ref ko ghalat maana
mene b maula k meaning ki waja se jo ap log samjhte hen usko nhi mana,warna me is waqiye se inkaar nhi krti.
mera sawal ye tha k being a muslim we follow shariat to shariat k usool mujtahidon ne hadith se ayat se derive kiya he.
kher i hope ab koi behes nhi hogi
ek baqi logonka aggressive roop he,or kitna aggressive he ye to is site k zariye duniya dekh rahi he,
ghadeer e khum ka waqiye se inkaar nhi
aitraz eid manane ki baat pe he k ISLAM ME APNA ZAHEN CHALNE KI IJAZAT NHI HE,HR HUKUM KISI AYAT YA HADITH SE MUJTAHID DERIVE KRTA HE, COZ
"EVERY ACTION IS HARAM JAB TAK USK HALAL HONE KI DALEEL NA HO-IMAM ABU HANIFA"
bus mera ye sawal tha jiska mujhe jawab nhi diya gaya.
meri tishnagi baqi he.
mgr kuch logon k aggressive hojane pr (jawab nhi ban parta to log aise hojate hen aksar) mene is thread ko behes k dar se close krdiya tha
jisko ye samjha gaya k mene diye gaye ref ko ghalat maana
mene b maula k meaning ki waja se jo ap log samjhte hen usko nhi mana,warna me is waqiye se inkaar nhi krti.
mera sawal ye tha k being a muslim we follow shariat to shariat k usool mujtahidon ne hadith se ayat se derive kiya he.
kher i hope ab koi behes nhi hogi
w-WAHH WAHH WAAH....GOOD LOGO...
BAHUT BAHUT KHUSHI HUI...ABB GUNJAN SAHIBA KAHAN ROOPOSH HOGAYI HAIN??
PAKOO KI TAQREER PAR WELL DONE,,BAHUT KHOOB,,PAKOO NE SHIA FIRQE KO MUSHRIK KAHA TOH AAPNE JAZAAK ALLAH KAHA..
MASHALLAH GUNJAN JIO..JAB MEI YH THREAD MEI AAAUN TOH FAURAN BAHES NAHI KARNI HAIN JAHIL HAIN JHOOTE HAIN KA BAHANA KAR K THREAD CLOSE KARDI JAATI HAI...
KYA BB TUMKO DIKH NAHI RAHA HAI YA IN JAISE AUR LOGO KI TAQREEREN YAHAN LAGAOGI AUR APNI ALI DUSMANI KA SUBOOT DOGI??
KITNE TANG NAZAR HO TUM LOG,,SHAME ON U ALL...
ALI SE DUSHMANI KA ISSE BADA AUR KYA SUBOOT HOGA ,,
SHIA KO KYUN BURA KAHTE HO TUM LOG..AGAR BAHUT HI SACCHE HO TOH ALI KO BURA KAH K DIKHAO ,,RASOOL SWW KO BURA KAHAO K JISNE HAR QADAM P ALI KO PUKARA AUR HER JANG MEI ALI NE SAATH DIYA...UTHAAO TAREEKH K AURAKH KON BHAGA JANG SE KON JEETA JANG..KON BHAGODA RAHA AUR KON MAIDAN MAAR LIYA??
TUM LOGO K LIYE KOI DALAIYEL NAHI KOI REFERENCES NAHI KYUN K TUM LOG KHUD APNI KITAB KO NAHI MAANTE NA HI US RASOOL swww KI BAAT MANTE HO JISNE ALI KE MARTABAY KO BATAYA TO HUMARI KYA MANOGE??
AUR HUME BHI NAHI MANVANA TUM LOGO SE...
WELL DONE JAZAKALLAH K NAARAY LAGAO AUR ABB PAYAL AAGAYI HAI NA THREAD BAND KARDO..
TUM LOG ISSE ZYADA KUCH NAHI KARSAKTE..KAMZORO KI NISHANI HAI..
ABB YAHAN KOI NAHI AAYGA..KOI AHLE TASHEE..GUMRAAH HI RAHOO..
Noor khaliq ka haq k makan may is qayamat ka chamka nahi hai
Murtuza k siva do jahan me koi moulood e kaba nahi hai
anbiya yun to guzre jahan me jinki shuhrat hai kon o makan me
jisko maula kahe khud paiambar koi aisa to maula nahi hai
jo parastar e biddat bane hainkarnamay ye unse hue hain
deen e haq ko to palta diya haiunse suraj to palta nahi hai
Fatima jinse raazi nahi hain unse razi Nabi bhi nahi hain
dagh narazi e Fatima ka lakh dhoyen to dhulta nahi hai
Naam e Hyder nahi mit sakega ye jahan ki zaban par rahega
ye to chashm o chiragh e haram hain ye bujhane se bujhta nahi hai
kuch khabar iski lillah lijiye kya hai pahlu me tahkheeq kijiye
hubbe Hyder na dil me agar ho butkada hai wo kabaa nahi hai
laakh arsh e himaqat p pahuncho lakh naqli hijabat daalo
jis se awaaz Hyder ki aaye koi aisa to parda nahi hai
Arzoo hai inhe ye jahan me utre tara humare makan me
bhule bhatkay hue hain jinke ghar meek jugnu bhi utra nahi hai
Ran me marhab ko maara Ali ne Baab e khaibar ukhada Ali ne
aapke dono haatho se shayed ek pauda bhi ukhda nahi hai
ho mubarak ye Bint e Asad ko aaye Hyder Nabi ki madad ko
kah rahi hai ye mushkilkushayi band mutthi me kya kya nahi hai
Maanti hun k ye daar e jahan me ek andher mere liye hai
rooy e Hyder ki*PAYAL*qasam hai qabr me to andhera nahi hai
BAHUT BAHUT KHUSHI HUI...ABB GUNJAN SAHIBA KAHAN ROOPOSH HOGAYI HAIN??
PAKOO KI TAQREER PAR WELL DONE,,BAHUT KHOOB,,PAKOO NE SHIA FIRQE KO MUSHRIK KAHA TOH AAPNE JAZAAK ALLAH KAHA..
MASHALLAH GUNJAN JIO..JAB MEI YH THREAD MEI AAAUN TOH FAURAN BAHES NAHI KARNI HAIN JAHIL HAIN JHOOTE HAIN KA BAHANA KAR K THREAD CLOSE KARDI JAATI HAI...
KYA BB TUMKO DIKH NAHI RAHA HAI YA IN JAISE AUR LOGO KI TAQREEREN YAHAN LAGAOGI AUR APNI ALI DUSMANI KA SUBOOT DOGI??
KITNE TANG NAZAR HO TUM LOG,,SHAME ON U ALL...
ALI SE DUSHMANI KA ISSE BADA AUR KYA SUBOOT HOGA ,,
SHIA KO KYUN BURA KAHTE HO TUM LOG..AGAR BAHUT HI SACCHE HO TOH ALI KO BURA KAH K DIKHAO ,,RASOOL SWW KO BURA KAHAO K JISNE HAR QADAM P ALI KO PUKARA AUR HER JANG MEI ALI NE SAATH DIYA...UTHAAO TAREEKH K AURAKH KON BHAGA JANG SE KON JEETA JANG..KON BHAGODA RAHA AUR KON MAIDAN MAAR LIYA??
TUM LOGO K LIYE KOI DALAIYEL NAHI KOI REFERENCES NAHI KYUN K TUM LOG KHUD APNI KITAB KO NAHI MAANTE NA HI US RASOOL swww KI BAAT MANTE HO JISNE ALI KE MARTABAY KO BATAYA TO HUMARI KYA MANOGE??
AUR HUME BHI NAHI MANVANA TUM LOGO SE...
WELL DONE JAZAKALLAH K NAARAY LAGAO AUR ABB PAYAL AAGAYI HAI NA THREAD BAND KARDO..
TUM LOG ISSE ZYADA KUCH NAHI KARSAKTE..KAMZORO KI NISHANI HAI..
ABB YAHAN KOI NAHI AAYGA..KOI AHLE TASHEE..GUMRAAH HI RAHOO..
Noor khaliq ka haq k makan may is qayamat ka chamka nahi hai
Murtuza k siva do jahan me koi moulood e kaba nahi hai
anbiya yun to guzre jahan me jinki shuhrat hai kon o makan me
jisko maula kahe khud paiambar koi aisa to maula nahi hai
jo parastar e biddat bane hainkarnamay ye unse hue hain
deen e haq ko to palta diya haiunse suraj to palta nahi hai
Fatima jinse raazi nahi hain unse razi Nabi bhi nahi hain
dagh narazi e Fatima ka lakh dhoyen to dhulta nahi hai
Naam e Hyder nahi mit sakega ye jahan ki zaban par rahega
ye to chashm o chiragh e haram hain ye bujhane se bujhta nahi hai
kuch khabar iski lillah lijiye kya hai pahlu me tahkheeq kijiye
hubbe Hyder na dil me agar ho butkada hai wo kabaa nahi hai
laakh arsh e himaqat p pahuncho lakh naqli hijabat daalo
jis se awaaz Hyder ki aaye koi aisa to parda nahi hai
Arzoo hai inhe ye jahan me utre tara humare makan me
bhule bhatkay hue hain jinke ghar meek jugnu bhi utra nahi hai
Ran me marhab ko maara Ali ne Baab e khaibar ukhada Ali ne
aapke dono haatho se shayed ek pauda bhi ukhda nahi hai
ho mubarak ye Bint e Asad ko aaye Hyder Nabi ki madad ko
kah rahi hai ye mushkilkushayi band mutthi me kya kya nahi hai
Maanti hun k ye daar e jahan me ek andher mere liye hai
rooy e Hyder ki*PAYAL*qasam hai qabr me to andhera nahi hai
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